Fingers crossed I hear back. If you no longer like what you do (and I've been there), then you you have options: curse the darkness, work to try to fix the problems, change jobs, or transition to something completely different. It would appear that physicians (especially physician moms) are waking up to the unworkability of the medical profession. Indeed, estimates from the Association of American Medical Colleges (AAMC) indicate that the U.S. could face a shortfall of between 21,000 and 55,000 primary care doctors by 2023. WebThe role of physician leaders has increased with the growing recognition that our expertise and experience can provide invaluable contributions to healthcare | 148 LinkedIn Ted James MD, MHCM LinkedIn: #healthcare #leadership #physicianleadership #healthcareleaders | 148 Ted James MD, MHCM Suche erweitern. Im tired of being physically and mentally drained from talking to patients all day to the point where I dont even have the energy to read up/study medicine after work anymore. (You are allowed 45 break minutes and 15 minutes to train on the software.) The people with great jobs think the rest are ungrateful whiners, and those with sh!tty jobs think the profession sucks. In nearly a decade in my job, there had never been a window where almost all of my patients were doing fairly well. WebThe role of physician leaders has increased with the growing recognition that our expertise and experience can provide invaluable contributions to healthcare | 148 LinkedIn Ted James MD, MHCM LinkedIn: #healthcare #leadership #physicianleadership #healthcareleaders | (148) AAPA is the national organization that advocates for all PAs and provides tools to improve PA practice and patient care. To be fair, there are boatloads of unhappy physicians out there as well. January 30, 2017 in PA Student General Discussion. While I am sad to leave, I know it's time for me to move on. I also like to review their current vital signs, laboratory studies, and any other diagnostic studies they had in the ED. Ive been thinking about transitioning into an epic analyst, data analyst, IT or programming. All Rights Reserved. However, this is the first time I have seen such an enraged doctor over another health care provider and it threw me for a loop. Some of us probably would be better suited to a different profession entirely, but we are either 'in too deep' now or made the best choice we could make at the time we started school. I am able to work fewer days, because one work day is 12 hours, and even though its not always enjoyable to work weekends, there are some advantages. I worked at an urgent care for 1.5 years and it was hell. I have no desire to be a PA anymore. This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies. Sorry its more so of a rant. They went to school 3x as much as a PA. See our Privacy Policy for more information. Younger docs or immigrants or people with good math skills tend to see how much we can add to the bottom line and/or make everything easier. Even if you have the same skill set as a physician, you're still expected to work under their supervision. I was frustrated. I then go talk with and examine the patient in the ED. Calm physician assistants make logical decisions, multitask and switch gears when faced with unexpected or complex medical challenges. Heck no! Consultant Cardiologist. I have zero confidence in my abilities as a practitioner/decision making/etc., which isn't helpful in any aspect. In all my years of working in cancer, it has been the only time frame this has happened. "If I could go back in time, I would actually choose a totally different career path; probably as far away from the healthcare field as possible!" Being a major research facility, the physicians have many other obligations outside of patient care. This an extremely tight niche though. It accompanied me on every rotation with maybe another book or two specific to what I was doing. Hospital internal medicine seemed like a good fit, but after I graduated, I felt like I needed more training. I'm similar to you in that I love science. We go in liking the idea of being flexible and having the ability to move among the specialties. Its maddening. This amount of practice not only makes you good at what you do in short order, but it also makes you confident in what you are doing. Also, I liked the acuity of hospitalized patients and the fast pace and variability of days in the hospital. Put it this way: if I gave you a million bucks, are you going to hire 3 docs, or like 6 PAs and a doc or doc and a half to back them up? Being is the vast affirmative, excluding negation, self-balanced, and swallowing up all relations, parts, and times within itself. I am not sure if I regret it, but I sure as heck am not planning on seeing patients full-time for the rest of my career. A bachelor's degree is required to apply for most PA programs. The responsibility is daunting, I agree. And maybe feeling just a little bit better. Anderson. and realize there will be good days and bad days.looks like your having a bad day. I can see both sides of this discussion. Enjoy the PERSON. Dieser Button zeigt den derzeit ausgewhlten Suchtyp an. It's a lot of bureaucracy, billing games, ignorant and demanding patients, and massive student loans to boot. Dr. Bob. I am fortunate to have found a role as a PA that was so hard to give up, and I have no regrets about "overstaying" my original plan. Good luck to you! See if that changes how your day feels. You have 2 articles left this month. It won't be long until machine learning allows computers to supplant human providers for diagnostics? So, I worked my last day at my dream job a few weeks ago. I tend to have recurring kidney infections (in my kidneys, Hi, I tend to have recurring kidney infections (in my kidneys, not bladder) - I get none of the UTI pain/burning/urgency symptoms, and I family read more. Hospitals are PAs largest employer group, and hospital medicine is an ever-changing practice setting. Try something new. What the hell can I use this overly-expensive degree for now? I volunteer at their school, watch their softball and baseball games, and host many play dates! I apologize for the long read, I just really wanted to get that out. However I really don't know what I can do with a PA degree. These are not easy choices and there can be substantial obstacles to overcome. Being a major research facility, the physicians have many other obligations outside of patient care. Fact is, the world doesn't need a ton of House MD's, certainly not in primary care where 90-95% of what we see is obvious and our boards beat the other 5-10% to death. It was a great experience. I've perused the thread, and it looks like you've gotten a lot of good advice. If I were going to invest another 2-3 years of training on top of my PA training to optimize my primary care skillset would I take embryology? If that one way isn't for you, you aren't a bad person, it just isn't for you. The job simply sucks! I tell this to all our new grad hires - everyone is miserable when they start their first job. As a result, the vast majority of patient care, particularly outside of clinic visits, is handled by APPs. I have run across docs that think anyone less than an MD shouldn't make any medical decisions, but there are many docs that recognize that we can work independently in high acuity situations. Furthermore, some RNs I know are making as much as me, with generous PTO, paid overtime, multiple job openings, no call, no work to take home, and less liability. Doctors are around to fill in the rest. I doubt they take their job home with them at night. Our physicians value our opinions and the perspective we bring. 109. Welcome to our virtual space for all things related to PAs! A form of nostalgic sour grapes, if you will. Investigative people tend to be curious, analytical, and scientific. Create a free account to read more stories, or become a member for more access to exclusive benefits! Most have intrusive insurance organizations telling them how to do things. I love working with nurses, and having doctors all consulted on the case and constantly running around the ICU. We all use critical thinking because we know that not everything fits nicely into a symptom package - part of the process is also looking at and listening to what we're being told andexperiential learningso that we're seeing all the different presentations of given diseases, in their different stages. Im even lucky to have gotten a job at the height of the pandemic. I like to try to get to know the patient and develop rapport. On a day shift, my work day starts at 6 a.m. or 7 a.m. Plus, people in Texas say things like "I appreciate you" and "Have a blessed day." But they need look in the mirror and stop checking boxes. I organize all of the events for our local Derm Society of physicians. I actually got off the phone the other day with an MD-derm who wanted to RSV Once I decide on something, the switch has flipped, and there's no going back. I feel like my life is on auto auto-pilot, only looking forward until I get home and until my next day off/vacation and I dont think I want to live this way. All Rights Reserved. I hate being a PA. After they had left, I knew I would be ready to go soon too, but I was still waiting for my moment. I find I make fewer mistakes that way. Learn More. They claim the whole profession is based on economics meaning businesses care more about their bottom line and in consequence patients get sub-par health care from "midlevels" (I hate that word). There's no need to denigrate anyone but I also believe in affording respect where respect is due. Before you jump into becoming a physician assistant (or a physician, for that matter), know that it will sometimes ask things from you even when you dont have them to spare. I am 1.5 months into my first job. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. It honestly makes me tremendously depressed. Most PAs and NPs I know would rather be called just that, or even simply physician assistants and nurse practitioners. detman Some of my peers, especially in IT and finance/marketing, are working from home, working less hours than I am working, with a lot less stress and they bring home the same if not more income. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. I've though about working a meanial job and paying the bare minimum on my loans. I applied for an MSL role early this year, didnt get it. Pay those loans down and call it an interesting chapter in your life. I'm ok with parts of the job but not others. I haven't even started taking call yet. Use these steps to guide you on your journey. For pre-PA help, check out /r/prephysicianassistant. If I got stuck on something, I'd check the approach pathways out to see where the next fork would take meI still get my updated book each year. She discussed with us what her life as a hospitalist PA is like. I chose orthopaedic surgery because of the variety it offers. And I hate to say it but, despite the headlines of a "growing PA profession" and it being called one of the hottest jobs of the future, the actual job absolutely sucks. The spectrum of work hours, conditions, level of autonomy, and pay is tremendous; possibly more so than any other direct provider profession. Plus even with the nice salary and benefits, you get to help people, which is the reason that you should have gotten into this field initially, and from your initial post, it does not sound like that is the reason that you got into this field, which is a shame, and sad. To be blunt, we have practically no experience, especially joining a new specialty. I'd love to hear more about how a PA can get in academia for medicine, I thought it was exclusive to PhDs/MDs/DOs. Anderson Cancer Center in Texas. Quitting medicine altogether? uscareerinstitute.edu. The lawsuit Eugene Volokh, Locals Technology Inc. and Rumble Canada Inc. v. Letitia James alleged A.7865A/S.4511 infringes on First Amendment freedom of speech by requiring social That doesn't exclude clinical thinking, but MDs aren't around making shit up as they go. Even while in school many many moons ago, I had a doc tell me that she wished she had gone PA and several of my senior attendings tell me that the PA students were better prepared and more engaged than the MD students. Why not take condescend from the medical heavens and take these alleged deficient PAs under their all knowledgeable wing and share with them the nectar of the MD/DO deities?A few lab techs from my program went and became PAs years ago. uscareerinstitute.edu. A prison of my own making, no doubt. I enjoy being a physician assistant because my work is challenging, yet very rewarding. Im tired of being woken up in the middle of the night when Im on call. WebThe role of physician leaders has increased with the growing recognition that our expertise and experience can provide invaluable contributions to healthcare | 148 Kommentare auf LinkedIn. Communism rules and capitalism is dead (meaning - we're not even allowed to choose our own future as an entrepreneur and open our own practice; even if we hire our own supervising physicians!) I eagerly listened to all the lectures in PA school and spent my year plus on rotations. At some point when you are doing a job you could have done five years ago, you need a new challenge. Another helpful characteristic of HIM PAs is being obsessive (in a healthy manner) about details to make sure all of the patients medical conditions are addressed and nothing is missed. Each new patient I see is staffed with the attending physician. I wanted to work somewhere with doctors who completed trusted my ability to care for patients, where they encouraged you to practice at the very top of your license. How do you generally evaluate and treat patients? About eight months in, I was looking for part-time work in an ER to help pay off my student loans. Haha I'm glad and at the same time, sad that I'm not alone. WebIf you hate it because of the actual work, that is something completely different. WebWhy I quit being a physical therapist assistant. Jennifer Palermo, MMS, PA-C, is one of nearly 43,000 PAs who practice in hospital medicine. Doctoral Degree. I am in my FM rotation with a DO who precepts med students year-round but we had a cancellation in my original site and he agreed to take me. PA school decreased the odds of harming patients, but a lot of us lose track that we're helping people. This book is a study manual for the Medical Council of Canada licensing examsand it's written by current residents/fellows. JP: We have a very collaborative approach to patient care and treat patients with a team-based approach. Participation is open for anyone, including PAs, Physicians, NPs, nurses, students, other medical professionals, and the general public. Conduct complete physicals, provide treatment, and counsel patients. At the same time.. if I were to make a switch , I should do it now while I dont have any kids. Its nice to know Im not the only one with these feelings. Even better than our working relationship with our physicians is the relationship we have with our APP co-workers. Being surrounded by some of the brightest people in the field. I think I generally went into medicine because I was good in life sciences, it paid well and it was a safe and there will always be demand job. Glad you're in a better spot! Nobody seems to bother them You sound pretty run down and stressed. For my first job out of PA school, I found a position in oncology and was able to stay in Pittsburgh. Considering a specialty switch. Pharmaceutical rep maybe? City life not that great at times. And PA students may be interested in /r/PAstudent for discussions geared towards PA school. Rarely did I ever have to explain my role to patients. They have nice work perks such as a free phone every 2 years, gifts, flexible schedules, free meals, paid lunch hour, holidays and weekends off. Many docs are employees of someone else. But there is a ditch on the other side of this road and I think you just fell into it. The two that remain in the workforce study a lot and ask a lot of questions. Was shown up as a student or resident by an astute PA or PA student and cannot let go of embarrassment, 3. has a relative who is a successful PA and can't handle it, 4. Everyone doubts their decisions. JP: PAs in HIM have to be flexible, organized, and able to multitask. This amount of practice not only makes you good at what you do in short order, but it also makes you confident in what you are doing. It wasn't a matter of not wanting anything to change. I have no doubt many are much smarter than me. If I could go back in time, I would actually choose a totally different career path; probably as far away from the healthcare field as possible! My classmates seem to either have hit the jackpot with low-stress jobs, or they're all full of shit and just not showing it. Physician assistants prefer 'associate.' Many states still are not very PA-friendly, and compensation is a joke. Well, regardless of my opinion (which is always correct), the entire landscape is totally different now than it was a generation ago and even further from the generation before that. Is the grass really greener? It's a powerful feeling to know you are good at what you do, and it's reassuring when those with whom you work trust you to manage patient care at a high level. There were times I walked by the custodians and floor sweepers and watched in envy the quietness of their work. Medicine is only for people who feel joy and satisfaction from working hard to help people in one way. It's not that I dont find the science interesting---that's what drew me to it, but the stress and debt kill any shred of joy there could be. It boggles my mind. Jobs are out there that will afford you the respect, autonomy, and fulfillment that you seek. Looking back now. The money is pretty good as a PA, but stress and debt make people miserable. I've been a practicing PA for many years, and I help future PAs, like you, get ready for PA school & practice as a new PA. I have been a pa since 1996 as well and share some of your frustrations at times. They all lacked real patient care experience. This is silly because I'm in a field where it's hard to kill people. Between my family and work, I add in some occasional downtime and time with friends, and it keeps me balanced and happy. Are you interviewing for another PA job? 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