4. You need milk, not solid food, for everyone who lives on milk is unskilled in the word of righteousness, since he is a child. I am curious about this comment, I realize this post is old so I dont know if it will be read however, based on the above article and your statements in your article referenced at the top this man who is talking about reading from your blog and learning from you is sinning by being under your teaching. In the first approximately 90 seconds of the video you can clearly see and hear men in the audience, and in her introductory remarks, Prisicilla indicates that she is preaching the Sunday service at this church. Maybe God wants to stretch you beyond here! such as man can bear. Jonah 2:10. Looking back over my copy of He Speaks to Me,and sifting through numerous videos of her teaching, its clearthat her method of teaching is mainly eisegesis. You may have loved her in War Room and want to buy her books. Again, when the Bible says not to do something, and a person does it anyway, this is sin. Id be delighted to hear back from you, Elizabeth. They point you to your own experiences and opinions, not to Scripture, as your authority for what you think, believe, and do. What Ive given you here are not my personal views. My personal views dont matter, and neither do yours. The proper method of teaching Scripture is exegesis. Im so happy for you that you have a discerning pastor. Esther 4:16 fasting. He said he met with the teachers of the studies and told them to go over and compare everything biblically and under his guidance to finish out the study and after that thereally will be no more Priscilla Shirer in our church. The salvation of unreached people throughout history. So I was wondering if I could ask you a couple of questions regarding your comments before we begin our study? I dont want my readers to believe something just on my (or anyone elses) say so. "For as the heavens are higher than the earth, So are My ways higher than your ways And My thoughts than your thoughts. Yet, I noticed in your comments that you did not once appeal to Scripture or support your position with Scripture. But books and blogs written for women are not what 1 Timothy 2:12 refers to, and its not the same as willingly allowing men to attend (which is something Beth and Priscilla both do) an event where a woman, in an authoritative position, is teaching Gods word to believers, or accepting speaking engagements that are open to men. You are very kind and encouraging :0). The true bride will always go beyond the minimal requirements. Lord, thank You that You are the Good Shepherd and You speak and we hear Your voice. Click on link: #FerventFridays - Week 1 - Your Passion. Mark 7:31-37. Here are my 2.1. I felt the Lord provided it at the very time I needed it. and also I feel you need to reach out to her for yourself. In keeping with the spirit of Titus 3:10-11, this is your second warning (the first is in the Welcome tab, which youve obviously already read) I will not engage in debate about biblical truth and I will not publish comments or respond to e-mails/messages attempting to engage me in debate. Personal experiences can be evidence of the truth of rightly handled and understood Scripture, but not vice versa. Throughout If you need more information, Id suggest BereanResearch.org, FightingForTheFaith.com, CARM.org, GTY.org, and Apprising.org. Click here I would suggest beginning with the article entitled Jill in the Pulpit (youll have to scroll down a bit to get to it). In Matthew 18:15-18, It carefully lays out a process of correcting fellow Christians that have sinned. https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/christ-centered-silence-for-noisy-advent-season. I dont think you read my comment carefully enough. Iam finding that more and moreChristians have to be told this. What is a defining moment? Certainly. Then you won't arrogantly place one of us in opposition to the other. One example that best showcases Priscillas penchant for eisegesis and poor hermeneutics can be found in this promotional video for her study,One in a Million: 0:46-This same God was supposed to be speaking to me, teaching to me, making Himself relevant to mein the regular rhythms of my everyday living. Verse 13. If you have followed me for any length of time, you have seen me raise this issue repeatedly regarding female Bible teachers and speakers. I would recommend reading the book reviews and listening to the sermon reviews. Which is why it grieves me to have to answer that question with: Her theology. Unfortunately, there are serious red flags about some of the things Priscilla does and teaches that Christian women who follow her, or are considering following her, need to be made aware of. I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; I will remove your heart . Well, technically, this article would fall under the category of discernment, but yes, I guess you could say Im into apologetics as all Christians are called to be :0). Jakes church, The Potters House, where, during a Gods Leading Ladiesgraduation ceremony, Priscilla accepted the Lady of Destiny award. to me she lacks conviction of the word I dont hear it; she reminds me of Joel Osteen and thats not a compliment. For such persons do not serve our Lord Christ, but their own appetites, and by smooth talk and flattery they deceive the hearts of the naive. NOW, I have to preface this with this was MANY years ago. Silly me! Yes, hope is needed, and no youre not going to find it on the news, but youre not going to find true hope in Beth Moore or Priscilla Shirer, either, because not only can you not find hope in bad news (like the TV news) but you cant find hope in false news either, and thats what they teach. Now, brothers and sisters, I have applied these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, so that you may learn from us the meaning of the saying, "Do not go beyond what is written." Then you will not be puffed up in being a follower of one of us over against the other. In addition, Beth Moore violates other Scriptures including the ones prohibiting the teaching of false doctrine and yoking ourselves together with those who do. Again, just because its your opinion that theres nothing wrong with it doesnt mean its OK if the Bible says otherwise. Going by her recent appearances, she no longer seems to have any reservations about violating the Scriptures that prohibit her from teaching and preaching to men. Though you may have become acquainted with her over the last several years from her roles in the movies Overcomer and War Room,she has been writing womens Bible studies and has been a popular speaker at womens conferences and other events for many years. Im sorry, Im a little unclear. No-one is beyond hope. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. She begins most lessons with a story or personal experience, uses these stories to formulate her own spiritual principles, and then adds in a smattering of Bible verses (often out of context) to support her ideas. Its not about doing good works to get myself into heaven, like going to church every Jeremiah 24:7. Tools. she said what she means by that is, to see biblical womanhood flourish would be a great joy! All of the resources and links Ive included are from credible sources (The disclaimer at the top of the list simply means I have not read everything ever written by every single resource Ive listed. August 11, 2002 AM Though the Bible allowed provisions for indentured servitude, which was a humane alternative to such harsh punishments for failure to pay one's debts, such as d But we hope that as your faith increases, our area of influence among you will greatly increase as well, 16 so that we can preach the gospel in the regions beyond you. 1. Run as far away from both of them as possible. Furthermore, if this is a disingenuous comment/questions, you are being deceitful and displaying ungodly character and you need to repent. Morning Service Fortunately, those arent your only two choices. Your kingdom come, your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven. Holy cow! And because of those issues, I deeply regret that I am not able to recommend her as I would like to. In closing out this conversation, I would strongly encourage you to continue practicing what youve said- just study your Bible in a systematic way, using good hermeneutics, and stay away from false teachers like Priscilla Shirer. Oops! Heres an example of Priscilla preaching to men and yoking with a false teacher as she preaches the Sunday sermon at Joel Osteens Lakewood Church: Priscilla teaches Christians to listen for Gods voice in an unbiblical form of prayer called contemplative prayer. It means to trust that the Bible has all the answers and truths we need to live a holy and pleasing life before Godwe don't need anything beyond what God has provided for us in His Word (see 2 Peter 1:3 ). Disclaimer: The specific links below are provided and endorsed as evidence pertaining to this article only. It is Gods plan for every Christianto grow to spiritual maturity and intimacy with Him. I dont really care about pursuing holiness and growing in Christ. If thats not what youre saying, I apologize for the misunderstanding, but if it is, Im concerned for your eternity. Nehemiah 8:10 Verse Concepts She is the New York Times Best Selling author of more than two dozen books and has had featured roles in movies like War Room (2015), I Can Only Imagine (2018) and Overcomer (2019). What we believe about God must come from Scripture alone. Before we move on to Priscilla, I just want to reiterate that preaching to men is not the only way Beth is unrepentantly breaking Scripture (although that is certainly enough to disqualify her as a teacher). Priscilla is Tony Evans daughter. Job 36:26 Verse Concepts 15 Outstanding Quotes To Recharge Your Preaching. Priscilla Shirer on Hearing the Voice of God on Issues, Etc. All of these people are proponents of the false and anti-biblical Word of Faith (prosperity gospel) doctrine, and the Jakeses are also modalists. If you dont sync with their teaching, dont follow them. The Holy Spirit decided that what this church needed to combat that false teaching was a refresher course in Christology (the study of Christ- who He was, what He did, and why). Priscilla partners and associates with false teachers such as Joyce Meyer, Christine Caine,Joel and Victoria Osteen, Beth Moore, and T.D. If a big guy writes against a LifeWay person, he might not get anymore invitations. read more, Scripture: My previous comment with the links was in answer to questions that you asked. Beth and Priscilla both disobey this biblical instruction. Im not sure if youre referring to Beths inclusion of Catholicism, or both Beths and Priscillas joining with people who subscribe to Word of Faith (prosperity gospel) false doctrine. Its very easy to think of Priscilla and think, Whats not to love?. (This is where the video above ends. There are two sources for fear: when we are caught up in something we did not count on, and when we are not in control. What we believe about that is irrelevant. I think the following articles will be helpful in answering your question: You might also want to take a look at the other articles in my Rock Your Role series. read more, Scripture: 2 Timothy 4:5 Verse Concepts Well, man, if theres only going to be a handful of people experiencing what weve learned on the pewthen I want one of those to be me., The story of Joshua and Caleb being the only ones to enter the Promised Land has absolutely no connection whatsoever with how many Christians today will be able to achieve intimacy with God. If you believe women shouldnt work, this includes you. Ill let you know how we continue our course of action. Christians dont get to have our own personal opinions. These women are an excellent entry way in to the faith. In fact, the Bible says the opposite. It is about sin in the local congregation where you actually know the person personally and have access to him/her. No where did she usurp authority etc. 2 JOHN I and my attendants will fast as you do. I KNOW this original post is over a year old. So, to "not go beyond what is written" means to focus on Jesus and His Word above all else. I know they were long and torturous~ especially since youve obviously answered the same questions over and over to others. Just put the books aside and pick up His word and study it for yourself. Go beyond putting ourselves first. But read her He Speaks to Me Bible study for yourself if you want to assess. Go, gather together all the Jews who are in Susa, and fast for me. Our Ladies Bible Study started a new season on January 5 with Priscilla Shires Armor of God. I thought most people read themselves in scripture. Matthew 9:32-38. Lastly, although you are not directly in front of Travis Arnett, Saikowoods, Taylor Dunn & Seth Dunn, all of which are men who have posted here They are Reading & commenting on your comments and blog, thus you are teaching men. John 14:1-4, Luke 10:18-20, 1 Corinthians 15:19. Instead, she is dangling in front of Christian women an emotionally appealing and unbiblical carrot of miraculous and unique personal experiences with God instead of teaching them to properly study their Bibles and rely on Scripture alone for their doctrine and practices. Ann Voskamp, Beth Moore, Jen Hatmaker, Jennie Allen, From: Choose What is Right: A Study in Discernment- Lesson 1: Introduction. Watch videos of Shirer speaking, listen to her sermons, read her books, and compare them all with what Scripture says. You should bring these points about Shirer up to your pastor if her studies are being pushed in your church. As for the topic of this post neither of us have heard of her, but thanks for the heads up and good article as always. They needed to be reminded of who the true Christ of Scripture was. If thats not you, no need to read further, and I apologize in for any offense. Copyright 2003-2023 | Outreach, Inc., All rights reserved. Grayson Baptist Church - July 28, 2013 Baptist. Did anything frighten you this morning? It does NOT say, and be baptist. INTRODUCTION Paul is quite clearthat people who preach another gospel are accursed, or damned, and that we are not to partner with them. Introduction to Beyond Sunday Series: 1 Peter 2:1 says: So put away all malice and all deceit and hypocrisy and envy and all slander. Like I said in todays article God has more for you and expects more from you than from you than settling for fluff and false doctrine. If you are considering commenting or sending me an e-mail objecting to the fact that I warn against false teachers, please click here and read this article first. So instructing men is a red flag to watch for if youre looking for a doctrinally sound teacher. read more, Scripture: Jesus taught us the way He wanted us to pray. Was Jesus gossiping in Matthew 16:6, 11,12 when He said, Beware the leaven of the Pharisees and Sadducees? They teach a false hope that will eventually let you down and disappoint you. My point to your previous reply to me is that I refer to my bible for instructions from the Holy Spirit as to my role in the body of Christ.. If youre not familiar with the false teachers cited below, click the Popular False Teachers and Unbiblical Trends tab in the blue menu bar at the top of this page. Part 11 - Matthew 9:32-38 - THAT'S WHEN MIRACLES HAPPEN! Introduction Evangelical/Non-Denominational. Pastor Chris Rosebrough explains why Priscillas twisting of John 10 to mean that we can hear God speak to us is unbiblical. If you're new or would like to comment, please see the "Welcome- Start Here" tab at the top of this page. I have attempted plenty of times to contact people like Priscilla Shirer. If youre in need of suggestions of doctrinally sound blogs for women, go to the top of this page and click on Recommended Bible Teachers. Ive got two lists of 10 up there, and another one coming in the near future. This article really turned me off on her. Id recommend starting with Rock Your Role FAQs #11, then moving on to Jill in the Pulpit. One of them went up to him and told him. Thats why I said may have been. Whether that particular moment in time was, in fact, the moment that Priscilla was introduced to false doctrine and false teachers can be debated, but the fact of the matter is that she came under the influence of false teachers at some point and still unequally yokes herself to them and teaches false doctrine today. Stay the Path (book) Promo Priscilla endorses Bobbie Houstons book. Going Beyond Ministries with Priscilla Shirer The Mercy of Our Great God (March 24, 2017) Priscilla preaches the Sunday sermon at Celebration Church (co-pastored by a woman), Priscilla Shirer: YOUR Spiritual Battle & the Armor of God (Full Teaching) | Praise on TBN (May 21, 2021) Priscilla preaching to a co-ed audience at Passion 2018, Special Guest Priscilla Shirer (October 11, 2015) Priscilla preaches the Sunday sermon at The Refuge Church (co-pastored by a woman), What Are You Looking At | Priscilla Shirer | Hillsong East Coast (October 4, 2020) Priscilla preaches the Sunday sermon for Hillsong East Coast, Women Teachers? Let me tell you something, if your church recommended War Room, you can almost be certain that its leadership knew next to nothing about Shirer. Do not eat or drink for three days, night or day. I had to look these babies up in the dictionary!) I do not endorse any of these sites in so far as any of them might deviate from Scripture or conflict with my beliefs as outlined in the Welcome or Statement of Faith tabs at the top of this page. Wolters begins with the shrewd observation that the four authors understand what moving beyond the Bible to theology means in at least four overlapping but distinguishable ways: (1) bringing the authority of Scripture to bear on issues that Scripture itself does not directly address (e.g., in contemporary bioethics); (2) dealing with ethically . My point to your previous reply to me is that I refer to my bible for instructions from the Holy Spirit as to my role in the body of Christ. and before she began she said that she was there under the guidance of her pastor and that if men were present, they should understand that her teachings were meant for women. Could it be that, as Ms. Shirer, writes in the book Fervent once again Satan is working to confuse and stir up evil among believers? I am gonna pray for you. When the Bible says not to do something and you do it anyway, thats a sin. Still, knowing his perspective and the fact that hes her father doesnt change the fact that what Priscilla Shirer is doing is wrong. Theres more than one link in the article providing video evidence of this. I've been reading a book by Francine Rivers lately about an old woman called Leota who loves the Lord and has an amazing impact upon the lives of other people in her life, yet is rejected and hated by her own daughter, Eleanor. How do we respond to those who are new Christians and who still "smell" of their former sinful lives? Opening Prayer. I am always delighted to answer questions from, and help, women who sincerely want help understanding the problems with a false teacher, understanding Scripture, etc., even if those questions are long. A large chunk of the New Testament (Matthew 7:15-23, 2 Peter 2, 2 Timothy 3:1-7, the book of Jude, and many other passages) is devoted to warning people against false teaching. I attended a conference with Beth Moore, whom I know you have accused also of teaching and preaching to men. She also teaches false doctrine (things that either are at odds with Scripture or arent in Scripture at all) and partners with other false teachers (people who teach false doctrine). We do not build doctrine or what we believe about God on peoples subjective experiences. NOW, I have to preface this with this was MANY years ago. Are they guiding and leading a flock ( a church )? The last verse was a warning; this is an encouragement. Far too often we just "go through the motions" in life but Jesus wants much more than this for our lives. A couple of questions regarding your comments before we begin our study to preface with. 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