#9. I am looking for some truth here and am always open to learning new things. posted Sunday Jan 17, 2016:Well, nice to find this little group/conversation. Are you a distributor? http://www.toolbase.org/PDF/CaseStudies/enerjoy_case_study.pdf. Here's the first one I ran across: Of course the person standing next to the radiant panel is more comfortable, which means you CANNOT just compare air temperatures and do BTU calculations based on electric and gas. But had i know better, i'd still would've consider heat pumps as main heat source because of the cost difference vs resistance. I have lived here for 24 years and I absolutely LOVE this heating!! How we perceive temperature, i.e. Perhaps better than a carpeted radiant floor hot rod To my surprise there was power in all the wires even after i cut them. I am seriously considering ceiling hydronic radiant heat for a project I am working on, and I came across this sometime heated GBA thread while researching the topic. 2- what are you talking about there ?? . Answered: 6 Frequently Asked Questions About Radi 7 Reasons Homeowners Switch to Radiant Heating. Engineered Hardwoods - Navigating all the brands. who is good? I beg to differ, Robert. Radiant ceiling panels provide a type of heat that feels natural like sunlight. Not so much. 1990; Ling and Deffenbaugh, 1990) because the radiant heat from the heater falls directly (or indirectly through surfaces) on the occupants thus producing more comfortable conditions. Can the ceiling panels be repaired (some are cracked and sagging) as drywall would be? But how does it affect energy consumption ?? I have never seen it installed between two layers of drywall before tho. Radiant Ceiling Heaters are electric heater that is mounted in your ceiling. Anyway it's fortunate nobody was hurt, and fortunate the firefighter response was so fast, and fortunate they have good homeowners' insurance. Here are two super-useful articles (10 to 20 minute read each): Tag: Radiant Ceiling Heat 1970s Electric Cable Ceiling Heat Pros and Cons Many houses built during the 1960s and 1970s, in areas not served by natural gas suppliers, incorporated electric cable ceiling heat as the primary means of keeping the interiors warm during the cold months of the year. But for homeowners who want warmth more than anything else, the reason to choose a radiant system is that its design and technology always ensure maximum comfort. Looking at buying an older home built in late 70's we think.. Our home built in 1960 has the coils of wire radiant ceiling heat. If we make no adjustments I think we will make it to end of February. Sounds like you are doing well with your set up. With hydronic radiant ceiling systems, your space is heated and cooled more efficiently, bringing comfort to all occupants. To still use my ceiling heat. Do I need to do anything with the wire if I do clip it, beside insulating the end? Steve, It was just this winter we began to have some problems with our heating in the basement. Here's a brief study of assessing clains of lower thermostat settings in hones with radiant floor heat done by CMHC http://www.cmhc-schl.gc.ca/publications/en/rh-pr/tech/01-106-e.html, They found slightly higher settings in the radiant heat homes and concluded: Mine are SPST switch on. 4. Here's an excerpt from a paper I have (which references many other studies). Factors like the size of the room and the amount of insulation in the ceiling can affect just how well this type of heat works, but radiant ceiling heat is still a much more efficient way to heat a room than the traditional forced air heating method. (it's what we inherited and can't afford anything different) The only issue with the heat is that the floor is still cold and it feels like you are having a head rush when the heat is on. American Society of Heating, Refrigerating and Air-Conditioning Engineers. The thermostats on radiant ceiling heaters operate differently than with central heating systems. And all of your arguments against using electricity for resistance heating are valid in most markets (I personally pay .045 cent/kW). That worked fine for supplemental heat, but it could not heat a whole house through the winter season. We had used Sears best grade. Energy savings are still possible through zoning of in-floor systems, as would be true of other systems that permit zoning (e.g. Typically, its warmest near the heating unit and considerably cooler farther away. I checked out a building yesterday that had heating mats like this one installed in four areas. I don't know too much about radiant heating system in general. I am currently having my kitchen renovated in my 1965 home. one room is no longer working however. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. I just had to think about it longer. ive also cut 4-1/2 holes between joists for can lights and have not seen any wires in the cross section of gypsum board. Products. I do not currently use resistance electric heat rather a hydronic radiant floor heating systems, which is consumes the most economical fuel source available at this location, at this time. For instance, in some radiant setups, hydronic tubes (or electric coils) are embedded within a slab of sluggish concrete that takes hours to heat up and cool down. Give us a call at 562-595-1448 to find out . Then the heat suddenly turns off, and it stays off until the room gets cold enough to snap the system back into action. Bigman | Jan 06, 2006 02:57am | #20. It looks dated. Articles may contain affiliate links which enable us to share in the revenue of any purchases made. Turn the breaker off before fooling with anything! To get the most out of radiant ceiling heat, it's recommended that the system be installed on flat ceilings that are between 8 and 12 feet high. Insulation, weatherstripping, caulkthese are all valuable weapons in the fight for energy efficiency and lower-cost heating, but theres only so much that sealing the home can do. Only drawback was you still had to put . But yes thanks if I ever need to take the ceiling out I will have it check for asbestos. I would have thought that there would only be one source for each room. Fix cracks and skim coat entire ceiling. Indem Sie auf Annehmen klicken, stimmen Sie dem zu. I'm going to look him up and call him to ask his opinion. Houzz nutzt Cookies und hnliche Technologien, um Ihre Benutzererfahrung zu personalisieren, Ihnen relevante Inhalte bereitzustellen und die Produkte und Dienstleistungen zu verbessern. Here are the warnings in their own words - - comparing electric and gas on the same type of heating system is simple and easy, but it is different from the trickier question of comparing gas forced air heat to electric radiant heat Definately 70's built. This is his classic book on Amazon http://www.amazon.com/Modern-Hydronic-Heating-Residential-Commercial/dp/1428335153/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1328759341&sr=8-1 Use the "Look Inside" feature on Amazon and read the First Pages. First you need to determine what KIND of thermostat you have. Take the breakers out and leave the next owner to puzzle over this? Some small, some larger, that when added together tip the scales hugely in favor of radiant heat. In the next phase of development, radiant heating took a big step toward becoming its own entity, an active system capable of providing heat with or without help from the sun. The licensed electrictoon is retired but is still alive. Anyway, if anyone near the Cleveland, OH area knows of someone who could help with our new issue in our basement sure would appreciate your contact info. That is why radiant heat is far more comfortable to us because the radiant heat warms the objects in the room, making us perceive the room as warm. There was 1260 watts of heating installed in this area, along with 576 watts of fluorescent tubes. In this type of system, heat arrives, not via vents or standalone units, but from panels under the floor. Use HAV system now. (I don't know what they were thinking!) When applied to the sizing of a radiant system, conventional heat-loss analysis often includes a reduction in design temperature from 70F to 65F and a 10% to 25% reduction in building air infiltration, exfiltration, stratification and glass heat loss. ( but i don't like spiders and dirt in the house :p ). It consists of a metal grid that hangs from the rafters and heats up when electricity flows through it (similar to how you might use radiant floor heat). Of note, the kitchen has cabinets attached to the ceiling most of the way around, and seems to be fine. I've just purchased a metal framed ceiling light from AliExpress and I am concerned that it has no earth connection or double insulated Hi all - been an idiot / schoolboy error - drilled into a wire that drops down to a fused spur socket in the kitchen (for washing machine I think) Been called to help a friend who can't get anyone to look at his car lift until next week and it's stopping him from working. I don't understand why you keep painting me as an advocate of using ceiling electric radiant panels as the sole source for heating homes. Last season we set it to 68 and left it all season Nov-March. I just became onwer of a condo build in 1962. In addition, the system does not require much maintenance or cleaning once installed and one of the safest types of heating. Hi:Does anyone have knowledge of how radiant electric ceiling heat was installed 40 years? When i gutted the bathroom i discovered radiant heat in the ceiling. If it leaves a client without power Hi everyone, The main hall, where the seating areas are, is heated via forced air. Good luck to everyone and stay warm!! This feature has been temporarily disabled during the beta site preview. The previous owner also added gas forced air heat. Seeing the limitations of concrete, manufacturers like Warmboard moved on to sheathing under-floor panels in highly conductive aluminum. It may not display this or other websites correctly. In these experimental efforts, the principles of radiant heating were often aligned with solar power. I will figure out the type and go from there. They say a heat pump is good for heat in temperature down to 20 Fahrenheit, but I have had them for years, recently replacing old with newer and very high efficiency, and it's still the same temperature range. They do do work in Ohio. In part, radiant excels in efficiency because, unlike forced-air systems with imperfect ductwork,the former isnt vulnerable to heat loss. Heating, Cooling & Air; Heating & Cooling Appliances; Space Heaters; Share | . Around the same time, on the other side of the globe, the Korean ondol system heated homes by means of cooking fires that transmitted heat from the kitchen to a series of strategically positioned stones. That's why you are happy to use electric resistance heat -- because your electricity is so cheap. There may be no such thing as a perfect system, but, hey, its 2015: You deserve heating that operates efficiently to create consistent comfort. Of course this statement is nonsense, but then, your prejudice against radiant heating, of any kind, should be obvious to the most casual reader of this otherwise accurate and useful site. Hi, my home was built in 1966, and I have ceiling radiant heat. A radiant ceiling has the minimal heat resistance of 5/8" sheet rock, while floors can have significant resistance to overcome with flooring goods and furniture. ft. in a cold climate with lots of glass. temperatures. All other rooms work.Who can I contact in virginia to service this kind of heat?The type of ceiling that I have is panel lettic in which theelements are wired in prefab drywall. Some people prefer hot feet -- some people prefer a hot head. Heat loss plays a huge role in how long the heat will last on your radiant ceiling heat. dose this thmomstat look familar to any one? Holes can be cut forlights fixtures and it will still work. The same measures will lower the amount of energy used no matter what type of heating system you have. Ducted-air systems (I prefer that to 'forced-air', which implies excessive pressure and velocity) need not have a wind-chill effect. Would it by fine to just clip this wire, and lose heat to the one panel? We LOVE it and its still working great almost 60 years later except in laundry room where Len the Plumber cut the wires. ( electrical,wire is buried at the bottom, would preferred a mid slab but it was to complex to install that way). There are 2 companies in my area that specialize in repairing that stuff. I look into my electrical cabinet and wondering what are the reasons or when to consider some upgrades. Distribution is only a matter of planning. If you're going to work on your system, be careful, you're playing with 220v. "This type of heating has the same advantages of other forms of electric resistance heat, including electric resistance baseboard, electric mats under your tile floor, and electric resistance space heaters. It was comment #24. Radiant Ceiling Heat Thermostat Replacement 9 Easy Steps Efficiently Heating And Cooling Homes With High Ceilings Rooms Dengarden Radiant Floor Heating When It Does And Doesn T Make Sense Buildinggreen Electric Radiant Floor Warming Doityourself Com Wps Most Power Should Be Red Tonight Wluk Hydronic Ceiling Panels Heating Help The Wall In other words, you can insulate every wall and plug every air leak, but if your heating system consumes a relatively large amount of energy in the effort to reach and maintain a comfortable indoor temperature, youre inevitably going to be stuck with sizable month-to-month utility bills. They dissipate energy fast as well. But even a gas-burning 50%-er would not make electric radiant mats a more cost-effective solution in most markets. thanks thanks. I agree with you David - sort of. 1990). Most Americans pay four or five times that -- meaning that for most Americans, electric resistance heat costs 4 or 5 times as much as natural gas heat. Click here to Find a Contractor in your area. I apologize for sounding preachy but it might help if you check out this book: http://www.pexsupply.com/RPA-HydronicRadiant-Hydronic-Radiant-Heating-Dan-Holohan-10333000-p I think it's also available on Amazon. Many of your observations apply only to poorly insulated, leaky buildings, rather than the tight, very well insulated buildings advocated on this website. There's no downside to that. Michael -- thanks for citing the research from Canada. But we may have just had dumb luck! personally, i liked better multiple baseboard heaters than overhead ceiling, unless with a pretty high ceiling ( 11ft + ) .that might change things . It appears the wires are embedded in the drywall. why the hurry to leave ? Floor and ceiling heat and love it. Robert, I wasnt able to find much at all about this company. If you use an electrician, let him know you've done the research so you don't get screwed on the replacement switch. . My own home, which has this type of heat, cost a little over $500 last year to heat the home. Water heated by the boiler could be pumped through the tubes, heating the concrete in the absence of sun. Electric radiant ceiling panels do fail, and I've also seen them partially fail. Ingeniously, hydronic tubes were set into the concrete flooring. House was built in early 1970s. All our other ceilings don't get warm to the touch but heat the rooms. Typically radiant ceilings in cooling absorb heat for 60-70% by radiation and the remaining (30-40%) by natural convection. Many people shout the heavens 'heat rises'. The only downfall is that if you want to add something to the ceiling for whatever reason, you need to get qualified expert advice how to not mess it up! For this reason, infiltration losses are greater than in radiant It uses a heating unit and an air duct to circulate heated air throughout the room. It's also incorrect to state that you'll see higher heat bills. thanks. I said I'd have a Hi All, Google the old one. I am not. With wood, coal, propane, solar thermal, oil, ground source. Or go with something totally different like a mini split? Well, though it may now be a viable product, it didnt start out that way. Sort: Prev Next: You are not authorized to post a reply. The complete source for building, designing, and remodeling green homes. DIMENSIONS | 24 x 24" and 24 x 48". I have all their products in my home and LOVE them. The technology has been around for yearscenturies, in factbut only more recently has it become a viable whole-home solution. They are NOT hard to find. Radiant ceiling heat in my 1964 build. All answers were no and i wouldn't hold him responsible if anything happened. Ive been through coal, hot water and force air heating systems. Our home was built in 1957 and has radiant heat in the ceiling. Looks quite dated, going by the rest of the install would say no earlier than 1970's. Currently trying to suss out where its wired from. I found the wire at an Ace Hardware store. "B. Radiant heaters vs. convective heaters Just seeing if anyone has come across ceiling heating before? The panels conduct heat so effectively that they can be used beneath any type of flooring, be it tile, hardwood, or even thick-pile carpeting. The heat would be 240V (dbl pole).If a dbl pole thermo was installed, it would `correctly` break BOTH 120V legs of the power. It is one of the most efficient ways to heat your home and could possibly save you as much as twenty percent on your energy costs. Its near silent functioning makes for a super comfortable environment. A few weeks ago they were working fine. It has the ceiling tape heat in every room. This type of heating has the same advantages of other forms of electric resistance heat, including electric resistance baseboard, electric mats under your tile floor, and electric resistance space heaters. This is a good alternative to houses with central heating system. Ceiling systems generally use radiant heat, and central heat systems propel heat through ducts into every room in the home. We often use them in small, outlining toilet rooms on commercial projects. I have never seen them in residential projects. A popular size of Calorique Radiant Ceiling Heat delivers 15.24 watts of heat per square foot. Space heaters work in the smaller rooms, but not in the living room/dining room, which has a 14' ceiling. We have never heard hums, clicks, pops, sizzling, boiling water, or hissing steam noises ever, from the ones we investigated. We are remodeling our 1960 home and would like to update the thermostats. Everybody who uses this type of heat pays high fuel bills.". In the end, you can save serious money on home heating by choosing any radiant system, but among all manufacturers offering radiant products, Warmboard can save you the most. Radiant heating systems operate with water temperatures of 90-140 degrees. William, These panels contain asbestos and should only be removed by proper asbestos remediation contractors. 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